I am banned from KC

[Janny]

This morning the mod of that super duper food forum locked the blueberry muffin thread, and she posted her announcement of the reason why.

Basically in that post she said I was creating a havoc while she was away doing charity works. And she didn't have to give the reason why she deleted my post.

She also accused me of malice, for having saved the screen print of my messages and hers. I wonder, why she has to keep hiding things? What was she afraid other people would read? Like throwing stone with one hand, and hiding your hand quickly? Gutless, i would say.

So I posted my reply to her in this form


which of course as expected was promptly deleted.
And immediately my access to that forum was blocked. This is despite her latest post of:

Edited by Gina:
Deleted. If you want to carry on doing this, I may have to disabled your account. Don't start a debate here. Please keep KC clean and wholesome. A place to share recipes and tips..not dispute on who is right or wrong.

And I will not give reasons again why I chose to delete anyone's posts if I find it deemed fit.

It would look like she was giving me a warning. The actual fact is I was already banned and therefore did not receive any warning.

[Janny]

I was just told abt a new post there abt her allowing me to advertise my products ;D ;D ;D
what products do I have to advertise?
the actual fact was, I never invited her to this forum. I was trying to help when there were members at her forum asking for chat room. So i set up one at my homepage and asked her to have a look. I offered to help her set up a similar one if she chose to.

Instead, she wrote me saying...aiyooohh how come you never tell me you have a forum. I want to join to support you lah. I always encourage MY MEMBERS to start their own forum.

(like real huh? I know one of us here has been accused by her of poaching HER MEMBERS and therefore banned from using private messaging at her forum).

Anyway, I replied to her saying my webpage and forum are for my family and friends only. Obviously she thought she was a friend of mine, since she joined anyway despite being told it was for family and friends only.

[Janny]

Latest development. I got an email from the super duper mod. don't know for what, since she has already blocked my access to reply her at her forum

I don't think I need to reply to her BS. But I post it here anyway, since as she said in that email i always promptly posted what happened. Actually those of you who chat with me daily know I didn't ;D. I post them temporarily to let you all my dear friends to read only, then I promptly deleted them again. And WOW>.... she is threatening me. I am so scared

Note what she said abt her fight with Rojak. I was one of the very few witnesses (probably there were only myself, her and rojak online then and I was on hidden mode, so the super duper mod didn't know I was watching what was going on. Anybody wants to know more, ask me . I know what sort of messages she deleted and still she was telling lies in this email to me. I am not buying it. I read them with my own eyes.

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Janny

I know at the very instance when I start to delete your posts, you will quickly post them at your own board.

I don’t have the time or energy to go around picking fights with members here. Not like you. Just as much as you have heard from others about me, I have heard and read complaints about you. But I chose not to listen, nor gossip with them.

I don’t want to judge anyone based on what I have read. I want to see it for myself, if it is true, or if I have experienced it myself, then I would say “yes” or “no”, this person is like what others say of him or her.

With your friends, you have to create an image to justify yourself and your stand. Its fine with me. As the old saying goes “While in Rome, do what the Romans do”. So at my board, I expect members to abide by my standards.

The things that happened between Rojak and me has already past. I have buried that and moved on. As a moderator, I do not want to rake up the past and gossip again. Its not easy to keep the peace at any board. I have other things to do. Thus I keep KC strictly on food and cooking. If I let it run like other forum board which has all kind of topics, I need to sit here and watch it 24 hours.

I deleted her posts becoz its offending. Rojak is good with animated smileys and she finds the most interesting ones. But there is one that she has upload into her posts which many wrote to me saying its offending. When I see it, I found it offending too. Thus I deleted the posts she had. She got offended by that and she went to all her past posts and edited her post/remove all her text.

I still interact with her..at Makansutra. Over there, its not my board. I abide to the rules they have there. She is good in finding facts/figures/information. She chose to leave KC. I didn’t delete or disable her account. Until I found that she never return to KC.

I know for some reason, you will also pick up this email and dump it at your board. Its fine with me if you wish to dwell on this. And start another debate at your board. Its your board anyway, you can do anything you like.

I have always appreciated your postings at my board. Whenever you post, I replied and thank you for the time you have taken to find facts/recipes/information. I read your recent posts as offending as you wrote them and ending each sentence with an ! mark.

Be careful of the kind of rants you made online. As stated in the newspaper report that I have scanned and posted at Chit Chat. Again I say, I don’t have time to pick up fights with others. But you won’t be so lucky the next time round.

Gina

[joanneloo]

I was watching this Blueberry Muffin thread, posting my opinion on how bluberries can be used in muffins. I was actually online checking this thread when Janny replied asking if the mod has actually used blueberries for black forest cake. In Janny's humble opnion, she has never come across blueberries being used as filling and TOPPING (somemore) in black forest. To me, it was merely an opinion kind of thing. Nothing offensive or whatsoever. To my surprise, within minutes, Janny's questions and opnion, plus the mod's reply to Jan were all deleted !!!

I just wonder ......... If that forum is meant for sharing info and ideas, why would posts like this be deleted without any reason? I find no offensive elements in Janny's posts. Why did she deserve a ban? If another member could share openly why she chose to use blueberry filling for black forest cake, why couldn't the mod? Is deleting the posts the only way to answer to Janny's questions? I wonder.....

[lilyng]

gina

wah, you sounded like a gangster or mafia like godfather but you can be the god mother.

[linlin]

Well apparently my post was deleted too because I asked why Jan's posts were deleted? I don't find anything offensive in those questions that Jan asked abt the blueberry thingy. Some people juz can't accept the truth & choose not to face it

[Janny]

I was asked what sort of messages that caused me to be banned. Since they are deleted by super duper mod already at her forum, I post them here again

[min]

Gina,

We know you started KC and we thank you for sharing your cooking recipes and ideas with the public. The sad thing is you are acting like a teacher correcting people all the time and you seldom admit you are at fault. You also act as if you are like a policeman "catching" people in your forum as if they are big convicts.

You kept proclaiming that you are a christian in KC & you do charity work, but charity begins where you are as such your forum. We all jolly know that you started KC but you cannot control our speech and our train of thoughts just by banning us or deleting or editing our expressions when you deemed it not appropriate in your own standards. Even God who created the world did not demand that we all have to be christians.

In the Bible, it says "Love God with your whole heart and soul and your neighbour as yourself". Goodness is not in the external observance of commandments, but in the spirit that inspires the proper observance of the Law. A person can keep all the commandments, yet never do one good act. The Pharisees bind together heavy and oppressive burdens and lay on people's shoulders, but do not lift a finger to lighten those burdens. Have a think about it each time someone's post is deleted or edited by you.

I was the one that janny mentioned that you banned me from private messaging. Without knowing the reasons why I did not post and why i received and sent PMs, you just locked me without first informing me. That was a very rude act. When i emailed you, you even accused me of harvesting members from KC when i only pmed to 2 people in KC.

I am not taking this opportunity to hammer you but to let you know that out there in KC, there are many people who are not happy with the way you deleted, edited and banned people from your choices and in your own opinions. If i were to send this in KC, i am sure i will be the next one to be banned. Like you once said, it's your forum!

Gina, thanks for setting up a wonderful forum for us to share and learn more about cooking, and also allowing us to make friends. But be kind in your approach and remember as much as you have authority in you forum, we all are humans and have feelings. Rules are man-made.

[Janny]

Min
I will always remember that this forum was started because of your suggestion. Even the name Rainbow Connection was your idea. Therefore I was very sad when you told me you would not be posting much anymore to avoid confrontation with Gina here. Actually you are not the only one, I was told by others as well that they chose not to post here anymore rather than having to endure Gina's "advices".

I hope now the heavy burden is relief now that you have your say, which you kept so long hidden within your heart.

[min]

Janny, actually the PM thing between me and Gina is old news and i don't put it in my heart anymore. I do not dislike Gina. In fact, i admire her for having a forum with high membership and the hardwork she invest in. Why i wrote what i wrote because i want to highlight the negativity in her, and the frustrations many people feel but kept quiet about it.

[gina]

Min
the only time I edited or deleted people's posts were:

1. to type out Ingredients/Methods or to add my photo that I have cook/baked the recipe posted by a member.

2. delete offending remarks to me and to others.

3. stolen recipes/photos from other people's blog pages/forum board and claiming it their own.

I deleted many chit chat topics that are old(over 1 month old). Including my own topics.

I have my own rules to run my board. I cannot make EVERYONE happy. In keeping the peace, I had to do what I think is right at that the point of time. It may seem ruthless, uncalled for, or downright cruel to many.

I get personal emails and PM from members complaining to me about others..I have act biase and not jump into the bandwagon and gossip with them about others.

I been questioned by others to think about some members at KC. I chose not to say. As long as people come and go in KC, don't create big stir, I pretend I didn't see or hear anything.

Though I am Christian, and KC was created with that in mind, I never preached the gospel and its teachings at KC. Unless its something in relation in food and its consumption.

As to Janny being banned at KC. I warned that if she keep talking about this, I will disabled her account.

As to me being so evil, so cruel in the eyes of everyone here..well, I have nothing to say. Its your forum, your say, your thoughts about life in general, of people, and places and everything things.

But what puzzles me is that despite of it all,(I mean people who thinks I am impossible to get along with in a forum), still visits KC regularly and want to come back and learn and share. But doesn't want to have anything to do with me.

I see that as being selfish. Well, that is my thoughts anyway. You are entitled to your thoughts about this.

[Janny]

Not a message for me, but I will reply because there are factual inaccuracy.

gina said:

2. delete offending remarks to me and to others.

Oh yeah? To others? The first case I know was in reply to G's question to R :"You never posted any recipe? Can you cook?"

gina said:

As to Janny being banned at KC. I warned that if she keep talking about this, I will disabled her account.

Not true. Account disabled immediately before the so-called warning was issued.

[gina]

Janny

when I deleted your threads at the blueberry muffin, it was to delete remarks that is not related to the topic. It never cross my mind that you have taken screen shots of it and made it a big spectacle at my board.

I was away from my board for a whole day, only to come back see that you have started a debate over this.

You only saw me at fault all the time when I deleted your replied notes. And you 'invited' others to speculate with you about me. Side tracking from the main topic.

And each time I deleted your words, each time you repost them with screen shots.

And I think you are a very smart lady. You knew that guests(non-members) cannot view any topics in all the sections except Announcements and FAQ. So you posted your anger post to me there. So that everyone can see how cruel I am.

You not only want to dig up the past and dwell and be unhappy in it, you want to create those thoughts in new members-to-be.

Think about that.

Well, I may be wrong in my ways, being negative about many things at KC, I do not come here and do that to you and your forum. I never say bad about you in front of others. The email I sent to you is private. Its for your eyes only. But knowing u up to now, its almost irresistable for you not to post it here to show others.

Whatever I say now matters nothing to others who surf your board. They see me as a threat and will always be negative about whatever I say.

But look at it this way, if an employee do something wrong, the boss scold him/her in front of everyone present. Belittle the person, making him/her look like a fool in front of his/her office colleagues. How do you think this person will feel? Quit the company? Run off to cry? Do you think this boss is cruel and ruthless and a monster?

You are putting me in this position. Belittling me in front of everyone, members and guests alike.

People who surf at KC also surfs Rainbow Connection. I am surprised to see that despite all that is speculated, debated here, people still wants to visit KC. And I don't think its to find out what I have to say about this recent issue. Becoz they know I will not have it there.

KC only have information about cooking and baking and some idle chatter.

Why? I am still guessing.

[Janny]

Allright
Now that you are writing to me directly, I would reply point by point.
First of all, despite urging from some members here for me to ban you here, I chose not too. I am interested in what sort of fib you are going to tell here and thereby letting others know what you really are.

gina said:

Janny

when I deleted your threads at the blueberry muffin, it was to delete remarks that is not related to the topic. It never cross my mind that you have taken screen shots of it and made it a big spectacle at my board.

You only deleted the question after you wrote lengthily berating me for asking if you have actually used blueberry as topping for black forest cake. You didn't delete at first instance. And hey... it was very ON TOPIC. Read your post again which I conveniently put for you to read here, you yourself said it can be used for black forest cake. And I was questioning you specifically on it. It wasn't a question on using Strawberry, Mango, Durian ;D

gina said:

I was away from my board for a whole day, only to come back see that you have started a debate over this.

In case you missed the whole point, I wasn't debating you on Blueberry - I was specifically debating you on deleting my message and YOURS too. My later post - the fatal one hahahaha.. is the one questioning you on why you deleted both my messages and yours. Have you got things to hide? Hm.. Is it the bit with reference to HALF-BAKE stuff? Because your mighty suggestion turned out to be some real half-bake cookie?

gina said:

You only saw me at fault all the time when I deleted your replied notes. And you 'invited' others to speculate with you about me. Side tracking from the main topic.

Pray tell me whom did I invite to speculate? For your information, those ladies are mature people who make up their own mind. They are not some children that I can bribe with freebies (sambal, cakes, cookies ;D ;D ;D)
I hereby request them to admit so IF I did invite them to take side with me.

gina said:

And each time I deleted your words, each time you repost them with screen shots.

Actually hor, I only posted the screen shot once
What does the EACH time refer to?

Yeah, because I am a learning person. I saw what you did with Rojak... and gee... it all happened so quickly! Nobody saved any screen images, no proof who is right and who is wrong. And surprise surprise, you were here telling lies abt them too in your email to me. For your information, nobody buys your lie here. And what did you say in your email to me? That you didn't know Rojak left and only found out after realising she never returned? Hm... let me refresh your memory. The day after the incident between you and Rojak, you posted an Announcement with title "Language Used" or something like that. In it you said ROJAK HAS LEFT. That was the day after the incident.

I know better, from the tone of your reply to my first message that something big is going to happen. So, is it wrong to save the screen image in case something happen, like now, when you start telling fibs again? Who is going to know what is really happening if there is no proof? What have you written in your board anyway, like you are the kind moderator that gives warning? Everybody know it is not you to give warning. It is action first, talk later with you. Have you answer Min abt the PM thing yet? Action first, no talk huh?

gina said:

And I think you are a very smart lady. You knew that guests(non-members) cannot view any topics in all the sections except Announcements and FAQ. So you posted your anger post to me there. So that everyone can see how cruel I am.

Oh thank you, even though I know you are being sarcastic.
Actually you are very wrong again. I would have replied to you in the blueberry thread had it not been locked by you. I chose to start a new topic in Announcement and FAQ because I thought it was not a I DREAM OF HAVING topic ;D, and definitely not a chit chat~ I wasn't in the mood for it.
As to the fact that guests can only view some topics, I really don't know. Forum settings can be changed in seconds, anytime

gina said:

You not only want to dig up the past and dwell and be unhappy in it, you want to create those thoughts in new members-to-be.

Wrong again.
Nope, I was just answering your defamation, saying something abt my bad intention for saving the screen print. I was just explaining why I did that i.e. I Know what you did to Rojak and I don't wish it to happen to me. Got it yet, lady? I think I have written on that a few times here already. Who cares abt your new members? Old members know who you are. If you are so right, as you said, your old members (how many? thousands yet) will lleap to your defence. What are you afraid of?

gina said:

Think about that.

OK. I will think, I will think, I will think.

gina said:

Well, I may be wrong in my ways, being negative about many things at KC, I do not come here and do that to you and your forum. I never say bad about you in front of others. The email I sent to you is private. Its for your eyes only. But knowing u up to now, its almost irresistable for you not to post it here to show others.

For your information, I only started this thread after you banned me at KC. So it is not like i would post everything and anything here. Not if I can post them at KC ;D
Why must you take up things in private when we had already started it in your forum. I have nothing to hide and would have liked to discussed it in public. You banned me from your forum, thereby removing my right of reply. And yet you write to me privately? Why? You have already indicated that you don't want my reply in the first place by banning me. As to me posting it here, for me what happened between us are already open in the public. Some people would have read them in your forum. So, nothing private about it.

gina said:

Whatever I say now matters nothing to others who surf your board. They see me as a threat and will always be negative about whatever I say.

I don't influence the thoughts of those who come here. As I said before, they are not children! They make up their own mind. And they can find out about you not only here, but also at M4M, Makan Sutra, and what other blogs and forums you frequented, those places you leave your trademark remarks - some real hurtful ones too?

And why do people see you as a threat? Have you ever threatened people?

gina said:

But look at it this way, if an employee do something wrong, the boss scold him/her in front of everyone present. Belittle the person, making him/her look like a fool in front of his/her office colleagues. How do you think this person will feel? Quit the company? Run off to cry? Do you think this boss is cruel and ruthless and a monster?

Wow, I am glad you can see it this one now. Remember the time when you belittled people in your forum? I am not going to list them here but just have a quiet night tonight, and have a deep deep thought, OK?

gina said:

You are putting me in this position. Belittling me in front of everyone, members and guests alike.

I'm sorry if I sound vindictive. I am only a human. After your humiliation of me by deleting my messages at your forum, am I not entitled to vent here? At least I won't be deleted here ;D

gina said:

People who surf at KC also surfs Rainbow Connection. I am surprised to see that despite all that is speculated, debated here, people still wants to visit KC. And I don't think its to find out what I have to say about this recent issue. Becoz they know I will not have it there.
KC only have information about cooking and baking and some idle chatter.

Why? I am still guessing.

Maybe they want to see if anything is happening there Of course you won't write abt this kind of stuff there, but maybe they are trying to see if there is anymore banning, anymore deletion? Sometimes it is things that you cannot see that is telling you the truth

And hey, don't sweat it. There are not many people surfing here. Some just came once and once only.